Choice post Andy - on the button bro, we’re awash with distraction and dis-ease. Comfortable is getting the rugpull. Taking this debate mainstream would b cool. i wonder when we’ll b open to chatting freely about our many fingered age of anxiety, it’s precursors and likely end-games, w/out fear or judgement 🙏🏽
I trust you're not doing a Kingsnorth on us? This is exactly the discussion I and a good friend (raised as a SDA) have been having, on and off, for more than a decade. I waver. We need to see our place and also to learn new ways of experiencing the human condition that don't rely on materialism, but I'm also unsure of whether our current materialism is a perverse outcome of an adaptive trait. How do we disentangle our cultural technology from some form of traded advantage? Certainly no contemporary or historical culture has achieved that. Perhaps the technology, by which I also include our gathered knowledge, cannot co-exist with a de-materialised culture? Perhaps a religious caste system is required? Perhaps it's impossible to perceive when you're as rinsed with the status quo as both you and I are. But certainly, I see that a form of religion that deifies nature as completely congruent with rationalism. As a rationalist and ecologist I see no intellectual compromise in regarding the biosphere as representing a form of omnipotence and in my own meditative practice, it is that relationship and my internal state of self that chimes as the closest to a clear perception of reality as I'm likely to ever get. With hesitation born of the derisive baggage I attach to organised religions, I accept I have a pseudospiritual regard for the biosphere. Is this perhaps all that is needed, but on a wider societal scale to see cultural norms shift in radical new directions? Will the power and short-term advantages of individualism and materialism always win through because of the natural, short-term advantages that strategy confers, until the systems that support it collapse?
Choice post Andy - on the button bro, we’re awash with distraction and dis-ease. Comfortable is getting the rugpull. Taking this debate mainstream would b cool. i wonder when we’ll b open to chatting freely about our many fingered age of anxiety, it’s precursors and likely end-games, w/out fear or judgement 🙏🏽
I would just like to share the words of a person new to me, Simon Michaux. He brings a glimmer of realistic hope - and a roadmap of sorts.
https://www.thegreatsimplification.com/episode/49-simon-michaux
I trust you're not doing a Kingsnorth on us? This is exactly the discussion I and a good friend (raised as a SDA) have been having, on and off, for more than a decade. I waver. We need to see our place and also to learn new ways of experiencing the human condition that don't rely on materialism, but I'm also unsure of whether our current materialism is a perverse outcome of an adaptive trait. How do we disentangle our cultural technology from some form of traded advantage? Certainly no contemporary or historical culture has achieved that. Perhaps the technology, by which I also include our gathered knowledge, cannot co-exist with a de-materialised culture? Perhaps a religious caste system is required? Perhaps it's impossible to perceive when you're as rinsed with the status quo as both you and I are. But certainly, I see that a form of religion that deifies nature as completely congruent with rationalism. As a rationalist and ecologist I see no intellectual compromise in regarding the biosphere as representing a form of omnipotence and in my own meditative practice, it is that relationship and my internal state of self that chimes as the closest to a clear perception of reality as I'm likely to ever get. With hesitation born of the derisive baggage I attach to organised religions, I accept I have a pseudospiritual regard for the biosphere. Is this perhaps all that is needed, but on a wider societal scale to see cultural norms shift in radical new directions? Will the power and short-term advantages of individualism and materialism always win through because of the natural, short-term advantages that strategy confers, until the systems that support it collapse?
This matches with these presentations:
https://www.youtube.com/user/johnvervaeke